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    Why is Canadian cable TV so LAME??

    Hey guys. Hello my name is Arob.

    This is my first post. I see this is a Canadian site... I watch American cable TV and I'm not ashamed of it because Canadian cable TV is so darn lame.

    The Canadian History TV channel lost ALL POINTS with me when they bought and showed CSI New York 4x a day - spent everything on one show and had to show it 4x a day! SO STUPID and has nothing to do with history. so I don't watch the channel anymore to get annoyed with programs like 'Ancestors in the Attic' which is unwatchable and follows a long line of unwatchable programming that includes 'disaster porn' history of disasters and not so famous bank robbers... it lame and has been repeated a hundred times already.

    Discovery Canada is SO FRIGGIN LAME ... it bugs me. and Canadian comedy channel is crap too.

    I challenge readers to name just one good show in all of Canadian cable TV?

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    Trailer Park Boys on Showcase. It might be the best show on Canadian television. Also I like the Comedy Network. It reairs the best comedy shows this country has Rick Mercer Report, Corner Gas, This Hour Has 22 Minutes, Red Green Show and Just for Laughs. Plus it has some of the best American comedy shows including The Daily Show, South Park and the Simpsons.

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    I think a better was to look at it is to pick out the better Canadian TV channels that would stand out from the crowd.

    Showcase would be a good example still, even though it is a bit watered down from its earlier incarnations. Trailer Park Boys is a good Canadian series that exists thanks to Showcase.

    That being said, there are lots of redundant crap channels on Canadian cable too, and some channels are just plain worthless. Canwest's Lonestar is a good example, it was supposed to be a channel themed around the Western genre which meant it was supposed to air old Western movies and series.

    Well apparently thanks to tricky wording in the licensing they are basically licensed as an "action channel" of sorts so lately I see in the IPG they're airing movies that are not even close to Western in nature. I've heard the excuse nobody was interested in watching the old Westerns, well rebrand and let someone else try or something. I know older folks who love that genre, oh but they don't have digital cable because they could never get their recordings to work with it. That is why nobody was watching it, low digital penetration rates.

    Starz/Encore Westerns seems to have no trouble finding enough viewers to keep their service running, heck they actually air real Westerns on it as well, commercial free, and they're not airing non-genre movies with them Westerns. So, if Lonestar can't find an audience how about letting MC/TMN/SuperChannel sponsor Encore Westerns as part of their suites?

    BBC Canada is another one that pisses me off, how much CanCon are they supposed to air? 50% or something? Then why call it BBC! If I want to watch Holmes on Homes (and I don't) I would turn to HGTV, but no, the broadcasters in their never ending quest to fulfill CanCon quotas have figured out that they can create one production and then air it to death on as many channels as they can under their operation, just as long as they can convince the CRTC it fits the license genre.

    Space is no SciFi Channel, they've improved a bit over the past couple of years but they are not the same thing and they were meant to be that. I'd rather have both. Of the two I'd watch Space less since I'm not really into watching reruns of older series as much as watching new content, also the Star Trek series' have been aired to death everywhere.

    And we still have no channel that rivals TBS, TNT, USA or FX. Heck now we don't even get TBS in Canada on most providers.

    Ever notice how little movie content our channels air in comparison to US basic cable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tripster View Post
    Canwest's Lonestar is a good example, it was supposed to be a channel themed around the Western genre which meant it was supposed to air old Western movies and series.
    Simply because... it's CanWest. It's been 10 years Global Quebec exists and it's been 10 years they don't know how to do network TV. I *HATE* them, I hate their strategies, I hate the way they *hack* the shows, so I consequently hate their specialty channels. You can see they just don't care about the viewers, they don't even care about the producers on-screen credits, they just care about publicity revenues in their pockets.

    Like you said, problem with BBC Canada is the canadian content. I mean, there's TV5 airing 90% of their material from France and there's also some made in Canada shows added to it. Also look at all ethnic channels available dedicated to their respective country. Why would BBC Canada be stuck with canadian shows?

    Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InMontreal View Post
    Simply because... it's CanWest. It's been 10 years Global Quebec exists and it's been 10 years they don't know how to do network TV. I *HATE* them, I hate their strategies, I hate the way they *hack* the shows, so I consequently hate their specialty channels. You can see they just don't care about the viewers, they don't even care about the producers on-screen credits, they just care about publicity revenues in their pockets.

    Like you said, problem with BBC Canada is the canadian content. I mean, there's TV5 airing 90% of their material from France and there's also some made in Canada shows added to it. Also look at all ethnic channels available dedicated to their respective country. Why would BBC Canada be stuck with canadian shows?

    Oh well.
    So does CTV, and any other Canadian brodcaster. CTV may do a better job and have better programming, but they only care about money and they simulcast shows.

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    In fairness, theres nothing stopping another Canadian broadcaster from creating their own Western themed tv channel. But I deff agree that if they are going to create a Western themed channel and market it as that, then they should deff keep with the theme and not air movies like The Matrix which I've heard they aired a few times I think. But that's good ole' CanWest for ya! Just like TVtropolis airing Fish TV and Who's Coming to Dinner? (albeit, early morning hours, but still)

    Also, I find it hard to believe that the Western theme is not going well for Lonestar, according to this: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/publicatio.../305426000.htm
    Lonestar is making money and doing pretty well for itself (by digital tv channel standards). So the whole "people are not interested in Westerns" has got to be a bunch of bull from CanWest, because when you look at the other digital channels, Lonestar is doing ok for itself.

    As for BBC Canada, I think they should have been given a lower CanCon requirement. But since it hasn't, they should try a little better at trying to find ways around it, for example air BBC/Canadian co-productions, so it's a British show but it can count as CanCon b/c it was co-produced by Canada, I think the CBC has a fair bit of shows that BBC Canada could use. Maybe the CBC should have been the one to launch BBC Canada instead of AAC? And really, how hard or expensive can it be to produce a simple Canadian show and connect it some way to Britain? Maybe create a simple cooking show featuring British food and find someone that has a British accent to host it. At least that would be something anyways, but they deff need to try a little harder.

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    We have good channels tho, but I also think some of our channels are hurt because of the American influence I guess you could call it. MuchMoreMusic for example could be a good channel if it tried, but it's just gone downhill so bad with all of these horrible trash tv shows from VH1. It doesn't stay true to its licence format at all, it's airing more and more MuchMusic type music videos, all of these stupid pop culture tv shows and then, like I said, these VH1 shows, Scot Baio is 45... and Single!

    But again, since CTVgm owns pretty much every music video service on Canadian tv, theres no one really there to keep the channel in check, so it can get away with murder. Just like how MTV has started to air full music videos on tv now. A couple times now I've seen MTV Live air an entire music video when before it wouldn't when CHUM was not owned by CTVgm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TVViewer View Post
    So does CTV, and any other Canadian brodcaster. CTV may do a better job and have better programming, but they only care about money and they simulcast shows.
    When Global sees the potential of one of their show going downhill, they just dump it to the CH/E! network (good riddence!) and continue simsub. Now with CTV owning CITY-TV, they might do that as well... grrrr..

    Quote Originally Posted by musimax View Post
    MuchMoreMusic for example could be a good channel if it tried, but it's just gone downhill so bad with all of these horrible trash tv shows from VH1.
    Why is it SO difficult to have a 100% MUSIC CHANNEL, with title display at the beginning and the end of the video, commercials breaks, and optional host presenting the videos ?
    I mean, when you look at the channel name, MuchMoreMusic, or even Musimax, you expect to get some MUSIC. When you look at it that way, PunchMuch is the only one playing the most videos per day but it fills the screen with SMS chat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InMontreal View Post
    When Global sees the potential of one of their show going downhill, they just dump it to the CH/E! network (good riddence!) and continue simsub. Now with CTV owning CITY-TV, they might do that as well... grrrr..


    Why is it SO difficult to have a 100% MUSIC CHANNEL, with title display at the beginning and the end of the video, commercials breaks, and optional host presenting the videos ?
    I mean, when you look at the channel name, MuchMoreMusic, or even Musimax, you expect to get some MUSIC. When you look at it that way, PunchMuch is the only one playing the most videos per day but it fills the screen with SMS chat.
    CTV doesn't own Citytv, they do however own A-Channel.

    Since you live in Montreal you don't get A-Channel, but viewers in Ontario and BC do, and if you think Canwest is bad for dumping low rated Global shows on E!, CTV is just as bad if not worse with A-Channel.

    The Big Bang Theory, Two and a Half Men, Big Shots, Dirty Sexy Money, Dance War Burno vs Carrie Ann, Scrubs, 30 Rock, October Road, Notes From The Underbelly, ect... all started out (or were planned to start out) on CTV, but were moved to A-Channel due to low ratings or not enough room on the schedule.

    Not that it's a bad thing which CTV is doing to A-Channel, A-Channel was doing horrible until CTV started programming it, the this year vs last year gains for A-Channel are AMAZING. CTV is taking full advantage of this 2 station thing and they are doing a great job (example, simulcasting the season finale of The Amazing Race on A-Channel when CTV couldn't simulcast it due to football, and airing the 2 hour finale encore of Lost on A-Channel when CTV can't due to other programming)

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    Quote Originally Posted by musimax View Post
    We have good channels tho, but I also think some of our channels are hurt because of the American influence I guess you could call it. MuchMoreMusic for example could be a good channel if it tried, but it's just gone downhill so bad with all of these horrible trash tv shows from VH1. It doesn't stay true to its licence format at all, it's airing more and more MuchMusic type music videos, all of these stupid pop culture tv shows and then, like I said, these VH1 shows, Scot Baio is 45... and Single!

    But again, since CTVgm owns pretty much every music video service on Canadian tv, theres no one really there to keep the channel in check, so it can get away with murder. Just like how MTV has started to air full music videos on tv now. A couple times now I've seen MTV Live air an entire music video when before it wouldn't when CHUM was not owned by CTVgm.
    To be fair though, the Vh1 reality shows airing on MuchMoreMusic are the highest rated shows on MuchMoreMusic. They are just giving the viewers (and advertisers) what they want, it's hard to blame them for that.

    I have to admit I sometimes catch my self watching Scott Baio is 45 and Single and Hogan Knows Best :o

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    Why is it SO difficult to have a 100% MUSIC CHANNEL, with title display at the beginning and the end of the video, commercials breaks, and optional host presenting the videos ?
    I mean, when you look at the channel name, MuchMoreMusic, or even Musimax, you expect to get some MUSIC. When you look at it that way, PunchMuch is the only one playing the most videos per day but it fills the screen with SMS chat
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    MuchVibe, MuchLoud and MuchMoreRetro all play videos 24/7. Vibe and Loud air the odd special on the weekends but they all pretty much play music videos all day everyday.

    I must say compared to MTV and VH1, Much and MuchMore play a heck of alot more videos. Although relegated to early mornings and late night (sometimes mid afternoon) Much and MuchMore still play music videos.
    Last edited by Everfresh; 01-29-2008 at 03:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TVViewer View Post
    CTV doesn't own Citytv, they do however own A-Channel.
    Ooops, honest mistake. CITY network was sold to Rogers, while all specialty channels from CHUM now belongs to CTV.

    Quote Originally Posted by Everfresh View Post
    MuchVibe, MuchLoud and MuchMoreRetro all play videos 24/7. Vibe and Loud air the odd special on the weekends but they all pretty much play music videos all day everyday.
    True, I didn't bother verifying. I hate Urban music so forget it, I like Loud a few times but not enough to watch it for a full hour. MMRetro is basically a 4-hours tape repeated 6 times. Oh well, there's Galaxie, without images... MaxTrax is still NOT available on Videotron.
    Last edited by InMontreal; 01-29-2008 at 08:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TVViewer View Post
    To be fair though, the Vh1 reality shows airing on MuchMoreMusic are the highest rated shows on MuchMoreMusic. They are just giving the viewers (and advertisers) what they want, it's hard to blame them for that.

    I have to admit I sometimes catch my self watching Scott Baio is 45 and Single and Hogan Knows Best :o
    As much as it pains me to see Scot Baio is 45 and Single on any tv channel in Canada, why not put it on Star! if you have to, I don't see in any way how this goes with MuchMoreMusic. Does he have anything to do with music or the music industry in any way? It's hardly a music channel anymore, it's like a pop culture/place for Z list celebrities to get some air time channel.

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    The prob with the MUCH video subchannels is they repeat heavily and there is simply too much CanCon to make them worth watching. I'm sorry, but just about every time I turned to MuchRetro I'd be seeing Corey Hart's Sunglasses at Night video usually within that first hour, but almost certainly sometime during the broadcast day. Their breadth of artist and music choice leaves a lot to be desired.

    I'm the kind of music fan who has been turned off Canadian music simply because it has been shoved down our throats for so long as a quota requirement. I can't stand hearing the Tragically Hip anymore, in fact they are the main reason I went and signed up to Sirius. Every time I went anywhere in our vehicle I would hear Tragically Hip within 10 minutes on our FM choices, sure I could change the channel but for some reason I'd still end up hearing TH sooner rather than later. Enough!

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    I presume TSN and Sportsnet are successful (if you ignore the failed WTSN).
    As I ranted in another thread about over the air channels wanting carriage fees, many of the cable specialty channels seem to exist only because of government regulations requiring us to pay them. There's little incentive to produce (or carry) good programming that will attract viewers. It would be interesting to see how many of these channels would disappear if the enforced packaging was dropped and we could choose individual ones. How many would you continue to get? I can only count maybe ten of them that I ever watch, and some of those are only for one program or an occasional special.

    Can we assume that CTVgm will eventually want to change MuchMoreMusic and/or Star! to a completely different format of programming, particularly if they intend to turn the A-Channels into an over-the-air equivalent of Star! ?
    I believe the record companies have largely stopped producing music videos in any quantity in recent years.

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    TSN for sure is a success, but over the years it has been watered down and in recent years resorts to simulcasting US OTA network programming, and on ExpressVU actually using that to simsub over a US network (usually eastern feed).

    Meanwhile, CTV has removed a large portion of their sports broadcasting OTA, remember when they used to have their own Wide World of Sports?

    I would imagine it costs them less to put this stuff on TSN now, after all I'm sure they could argue "well it doesn't have the audience the OTA broadcast would have so we should pay less" with their suppliers.

    Meanwhile, stuff like Nascar airing on TNT/FX in the US suffers up here since often TSN is busy showing CBS Golf or something so they'll tape delay the car race. Makes no sense since the golf fans have an alternate source to view the match while the Nascar fans are stuck or forced into looking at alternatives to get their fix. Again this seems like a money saving tactic rather than a "schedule conflict", there really is no reason for TSN to air OTA network programming already available to the consumer since TSN has no simsub rights anyway, only ExpressVU will simsub them even though they technically should not.

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    I agree that there are only a few digital channels that would be worth paying for if we could choose which ones we wanted (TSN, Sportsnet, The Score, NHL Network, Showcase, Comedy Network and Much Loud are the only ones I would ever watch). In fact I would be able to survive with only the CBC, CTV, Global, the American nets and TSN. Also now that TSN has "TSN2" they usually don't have a problem getting all of the NASCAR races and other events that are on American cable networks on Canadian TV. In fact last year I think that between TSN and TSN2 they aired all of the Nextel Cup races.

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    Back to the main topic, well, do we have a Top 5 of the most useless channels in Canada? Here's my list...

    1) BiteTV. Looks like opening a Youtube page on your TV screen, but for what use?

    2) Avis de Recherche (Videotron #46). Do you know anyone who will sit and watch still images with descriptions? Yes for the weather, but, suspected convicts? Would be more interesting in a World's Wildest Police Videos on FOX format. For now, it's boring. What bring it even less unwanted is the requested 6 raise from cable providers to carry the channel on BASIC service. Videotron being greedy, they're raising monthly fees by 1$ next march. Hell, thanks!

    3) VOX HD (Videotron #609). When the network lacks of space to add new services, it's a big laugh at their customers to add a VERY LOW priority channel in HD.

    4) MenTV. First reason, it's CanWest operated. Programming: cars, fishing, poker, boxing, cops shows, a few old movies... Hello!!! Men loves WOMEN !!! And it's missing in the programming.

    5) WPCH (TBS Atlanta). Programming is comedies and heavily edited movies (why?). No longer a superstation, pointless.


    I'm sure there's other horrors available on other cable/satellite providers. Feel free to share your Top X ;)

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    I agree with Men TV however I would put all specialty channels owned by Canwest on that list. Also I don't think that Peachtree is totally meaningless they do still have 45 Braves games per season (although I have almost never watched it for anything besides the Braves).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NB Josh View Post
    Also I don't think that Peachtree is totally meaningless they do still have 45 Braves games per season (although I have almost never watched it for anything besides the Braves).
    Well, I was debating between either Peachtree or SpikeTV canadian feed.

    SpikeTV, 6 hours of Paid Programming (between 3am and 9am), Star Trek, CSI Las Vegas, extreme whatever, wrestling (no original content interests me here), and while the USA feed gets James Bond marathons, the canadian feed gets endless back-to-back V.I.P. (Pam Anderson) shows.

    But since Spike is much better than MenTV, I chose Peachtree in #5.

    I also had Military channel and Book Television in my list, never watched 'em, so I can't comment, but it might interest somebody...

 

 

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