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  1. #81
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    Super Channel is here! Watch it on channels 205-208 in SD; 805-808 in HD and check out the free HD preview until October 9.
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    Errrr, Randi.

    - Super Channel HD has been added 805-808 HD in Montreal and Gatineau-Rockland only (SDV areas).
    - Cinépop will move channel from 205 to 200.
    - Super Channel SD (205-208) will be added October 4th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InMontreal View Post
    Errrr, Randi.

    - Super Channel HD has been added 805-808 HD in Montreal and Gatineau-Rockland only (SDV areas).
    - Cinépop will move channel from 205 to 200.
    - Super Channel SD (205-208) will be added October 4th.
    Is it just the HD channels that wont be available outside Montreal and Gatineau or both SD and HD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigoranget View Post
    Is it just the HD channels that wont be available outside Montreal and Gatineau or both SD and HD?
    SD channels were assigned SDV services, so it looks like it will be Montreal and Gatineau only for now, or for what's been negociated with Allarco (english-speaking markets).
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    On December 4th, Videotron will roll out 37 new HD channels.

    The catch? 36 of them will be only available to the customers owning a New-Generation terminal, because they will be distributed in MPEG-4 format, which only the Cisco and Samsung decoders can read.

    - Sportsnet 360 HD is the only exception, will be available in all areas, all customers.
    - Disney Junior french will also be available in all areas, but in MPEG-4 format to Montreal customers.
    - Sportsnet World, the 3 remaining TMN HD channels, the CW/MyNet superstations and Disney Junior english will be available to Montreal (MPEG-4 only) and Gatineau-Rockland customers (all formats)
    - Everything else is for Montreal residents only, in MPEG-4 format :
    715: ABC Spark
    755: Animal Planet
    756: Discovery Science
    760: Family Channel
    757: H2
    741: HLN
    735: Investigation Discovery
    731: Lifetime
    736: Movietime
    667: MuchMusic
    718: Nat Geo Wild
    714: OLN
    818: Peachtree
    673: Slice
    682: Sportsnet Ontario
    683: Sportsnet Pacific
    684: Sportsnet West
    817: TMN Encore 2
    671: Teletoon (English)
    716: The Fight Network
    745: Travel + Escape
    819: Turner Classic Movies
    709: W Movies
    721: W Network
    656: Wild TV
    672: YTV

    Source: http://www.montrealgazette.com/busin...174/story.html

    Sadly, Videotron have no upgrade promos to existing customers stuck with an Illico 1 terminal, such as the SA 4250 or the 8300 PVR. The 8642 is currently sold for 450$+tx at Best Buy, or 600$ directly at Videotron, or location at 9$, or free if you take 30 channels à la carte and a 2 years contract...
    For an existing customer, it's an unnecessary upgrade for a box that doesn't have much functions to be thrilled about during the holiday season, with a buggy software...
    Last edited by InMontreal; 11-16-2013 at 10:27 AM.
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    It is very likely that they will have a promotion in place at the launch I would think. And if not, well, like all technologies, you have to upgrade to get the newest software and new things. In this case new compression possibilities for Mpeg4 to get space for new channels.

    Would you prefer that they did not launch any new HD channels, or only a fraction of them, so people who don't want to upgrade not be unhappy?
    The results is the same. People who don't want to upgrade don't have to, they just won't get the new channels. People who have the new machines will have lots of new channels.

    If they did not go with the mpeg4, not only would people who won't upgrade would not get new channels, but nobody would. They are not forcing anyone to upgrade. It's not like they can do anything else better. Yes they could removed Telemax analog channels, but then it would force people who want to watch the Canadiens on RDS to upgrade to digital, and that could cause a riot...
    Last edited by mtlguy; 11-16-2013 at 12:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtlguy View Post
    In this case new compression possibilities for Mpeg4 to get space for new channels.
    Technically speaking, it's weird. Montreal will get all the new channels, while Gatineau-Rockland will get only a few of them, and other areas will get only two new channels.

    - Gatineau is still capped at 780 MHz, had the analog telemax removed back in 2011, have 9 QAMs of SDV, and currently have 5 free QAMs, and will get 11 new HD channels.
    - Quebec City and Sherbrooke were upgraded to 1 GHz, but no SDV implemented, and get only 2 channels.
    - Montreal-West was the first network upgraded to 1 GHz and SDV implemented, but there are no free QAMs left, and will get all 37 new channels.
    - Montreal-East is still stuck at 780 MHz, SDV is implemented, and will get 37 new channels.

    So tell me, why isn't Gatineau getting all 37 HD channels ? Where will they put the 37 channels in Montreal West and East ? (This will help : http://www.illicotech.com/NumMtlRes.html ). Removing analog is out of the question (See: http://www.montrealgazette.com/busin...175/story.html )

    Both Bell ExpressVu and Shaw Direct had to remplace their terminals for mpeg-4 compatible ones, so they did upgrade customers in small markets, once complete they switched over their regional stations, they also target pay-tv (TMN, SuperChannel) and ethnic channels subscribers... to finish the upgrade with Vancouver and Toronto stations.
    In comparaison, Videotron doesn't have a plan. They just give exclusive content to customers who brought a new terminal in the last two years, pissing off the others, expecting those who subscribe to english-language specialties to upgrade on their own dime.
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    Videotron could fit about 7-8 HD channels in a single QAM. If they eliminate 5 analog channels, that would allow them to add the 36 HD channels. They might also compress the current MPEG-2 channels more to free up QAMs. Some cable systems squeeze as much as 4x HD channels in an MPEG-2 QAM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigoranget View Post
    Videotron could fit about 7-8 HD channels in a single QAM. If they eliminate 5 analog channels, that would allow them to add the 36 HD channels. They might also compress the current MPEG-2 channels more to free up QAMs. Some cable systems squeeze as much as 4x HD channels in an MPEG-2 QAM.
    Ok but at 3HD per QAM the quality is already too low, so 4 would make them very bad, might as not call it HD at that point...The mpeg4 solution is the best in my opinion.

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    I agree but systems do compress that much. I know some of the Rogers QAMs have 4x HD MPEG-2 streams. My local cable system does it too. Even 7-8 MPEG-4 streams in a single QAM is quite a bit of compression. In an ideal setup you would want a max of 6x MPEG-4 HD streams per QAM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigoranget View Post
    I agree but systems do compress that much.
    History shows that Videotron prefers quality over quantity.
    Channels from over-the-air are at the same bitrate (15-18 Mbps), french-language specialties are in the 15+ Mbps while english-language specialties come from 3HD/QAM Rogers or Cogeco source and are therefor compressed at 12 Mbps. Some specialties like APTN and TFO are likely coming from Bell satellite and therefor compressed at 9 Mbps in 720p...

    Taking an HD feed at max 19.4 Mbps and compressing the hell out of it at 9.4 Mbps to fit 4 HD/QAM, it's plain insane and stupid. By lowering the quality should result in lowering the cost of the service.
    It's "High Definition", not "wider image".
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    Again, I don't disagree with what you are saying. It agree that it isn't a good thing when cable companies choose to over compress HD signals but it is a reality on most systems and it likely will be a reality to some extent on Videotron. I don't think they can use the spectrum from 860-1Ghz as most tuners can only tune from 54-860 Mhz I believe that Videotron is likely going to eliminate 5-6 analog channels in Montreal in order to add all these MPEG-4 HD channels. The article said that it would be a long time before analog is eliminated entirely but it doesn't say that some channels wont gradually move. It's already happened in some regions such as Gatineau which no longer has the extended basic tier on analog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigoranget View Post
    Again, I don't disagree with what you are saying. It agree that it isn't a good thing when cable companies choose to over compress HD signals but it is a reality on most systems and it likely will be a reality to some extent on Videotron. I don't think they can use the spectrum from 860-1Ghz as most tuners can only tune from 54-860 Mhz I believe that Videotron is likely going to eliminate 5-6 analog channels in Montreal in order to add all these MPEG-4 HD channels. The article said that it would be a long time before analog is eliminated entirely but it doesn't say that some channels wont gradually move. It's already happened in some regions such as Gatineau which no longer has the extended basic tier on analog.
    Videotron is NOT removing any analog channel at this time. According to our source Kaphyr on another forum, they do have space right now to put these in mpeg 4 without removing anything in analog or otherwise. They are using SDV so I think that makes it possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigoranget View Post
    I don't think they can use the spectrum from 860-1Ghz as most tuners can only tune from 54-860 Mhz I believe that Videotron is likely going to eliminate 5-6 analog channels in Montreal in order to add all these MPEG-4 HD channels.
    Actually, the specs for Cisco 8642/4642 terminals indicate they can tune up to 1 GHz. I'm not sure about the Samsung terminals, but it should be the case as well. Areas are either capped at 780 MHz (channel 122) or modernized at 1 GHz. But it's unlikely that Videotron will use those frequencies. Baby steps. Problem remains that Mtl-West is full.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigoranget View Post
    The article said that it would be a long time before analog is eliminated entirely but it doesn't say that some channels wont gradually move. It's already happened in some regions such as Gatineau which no longer has the extended basic tier on analog.
    Videotron uses filters for analog channels : 23-27, 27-38, 38-56, 23-56.
    Let's say for argument's sake that they remove channels 51 to 55 in Mtl-West. They would have send out letters in a 2-3 weeks delay to analog customers and affected digital customers paying extra for analog service, and at the same time sending out technicians to remove all filters that will block the new digital QAMs. This will result in providing the other analog channels (39 to 50) for free to everyone, therefor the broadcasters like LCN, Vie and History will want their subscription revenues...

    In other words, removing analog channels are normally done in a block, and something big like this gets a public notice...

    We'll see on Dec 4th how they managed to put the new services. So far, SDV is the best solution, heavily used by Rogers.
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    Let's say for argument's sake that they remove channels 51 to 55 in Mtl-West. They would have send out letters in a 2-3 weeks delay to analog customers and affected digital customers paying extra for analog service, and at the same time sending out technicians to remove all filters that will block the new digital QAMs. This will result in providing the other analog channels (39 to 50) for free to everyone, therefor the broadcasters like LCN, Vie and History will want their subscription revenues...
    Other cable systems have worked around this; Cogeco, Rogers, Shaw. Also Videotron is already using channels 41 and 42 for HD channels. Chances are Videotron has already run into issues of having to pull the filter in order to provide customers access to certain HD channels.

    Does Videotron offer cable FM radio? If not channels 95-97 are free. They probably wouldn't use these frequencies for digital and HD channels but they could move 3x analog channels to these positions. They could move both PBS channels and CPAC to channels 95-97, freeing up channels 24, 56 and 57. They could then move some of the existing QAMs to these frequencies and then expand the SDV channel range (currently 70-77) to 67-77.

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    Out of the 37 new channels, Gatineau-Rockland got the best out of it with 9 new channels accessible to everyone.
    Montreal-West and a few modernized sections of the Greater Montreal (mostly North Shore) got the 37 new channels ONLY with a Illico 2 terminal. The channels are placed in the 860-999 MHz bandwidth.

    Everyone else got Sportsnet 360 HD (711) and the Yule Log HD channels by Galaxie (552-553). No SD equivalent.

    Today, CFHD-DT (ICI) was added on channels 16 (SD) and 616 (HD) for the Greater Montreal Area only, with regular programming, but no schedule.
    Rest of Quebec received Super Channel in SD-only today (205-209). It was previously restricted only in Montreal and Gatineau areas.

    Tomorrow, Bell Media launches Investigation, exclusively to their own Bell Satellite and Fibe customers, then 5 days later on Cogeco, but unsurprisingly, Videotron will not carry it.
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    Didn't everybody get Disney Junior French as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigoranget View Post
    Didn't everybody get Disney Junior French as well?
    Everyone except some not modernized area in greater Montreal area. I don't have it in Laval.

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    So are the new channels actually MPEG-4? I noticed that they only put 2x channels per QAM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigoranget View Post
    So are the new channels actually MPEG-4? I noticed that they only put 2x channels per QAM.
    Turns out they're all MPEG-2. Due to the fact that they're placed in 861-999 MHz frequencies, a Cisco or Samsung terminal (Illico 2) is required because all other models are limited to 860 MHz. Problem is, the old CF-Cable is all modernized, but the east side of Greater Montreal is slow on modernization. So, many north shore areas have access to those channels, Ste-Julie on the south shore is also modernized, everyone else will have to wait... and buy a new terminal.

    By the way, Super Channel in SD was added in all other regions last week, but not their HD equivalent. And there's no free preview. It was previously restricted to Montreal and Gatineau.
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