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  1. #21
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    Twist TV and Slice are companion channels that have enough content to make them necessary evils. If they were suddenly removed from Canada, much of that same content would eventually be picked up by other Canadian channels such as E! Canada, MuchMore and a host of other channels that have jumped on the reality channel bandwagon (that is now more like a runaway freight train than bandwagon).

    Bell is slowly but surely transforming many of its channels into mini versions of TwistTV and Slice. Book Television wants to be more like a Shaw channel, and will most likely eventually become as uninspired as Mystery TV (filled with reruns and more opportunities to catch up on missed content). Castle is a perfect fit for Book Television, but since it's a low-rated channel, Bell instead dumps Castle on Space.

    Thanks to reality tv, it's getting easier and easier to fill a channel's lineup with cheap filler content that can pass as entertainment.

    However, it should be a lot more difficult for Bell to dump lower-quality filler on TMN and HBO Canada without causing customers to cancel those services. Premium channels have to be very careful with their programming, so I'm more concerned about Super Channel going up against the big pockets of the Bell Media powerhouse, than a drop in quality on TMN or HBO Canada.
    Warning: I'm not playing with a full deck.

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    From another forum...
    Remaining Independent specialty television operators :
    - Pelmorex (MétéoMédia/Weather Network)
    - Kilmer Enterprises (GameTV)
    - Dieter Kohler (WildTV, Cult Movie Network)
    - ZoomerMedia (VisionTV, One, Joytv)
    - Shavick Ent (OUTtv)
    - Fight Media (Fight Network)
    - Channel Zero (Rewind, Silver Screen, AOV Adult)
    - Blue Ant/Glassbox (Travel+Escape, bite, bold, Aux, OasisHD...)
    - Stornoway (iChannel, bpm:tv, Pet Network)
    - Knowledge Network (BBC Kids)
    - Sex Shop Television (Vanessa)
    - Salt + Light
    - World Impact Ministries (GraceTV)
    - IDNR-TV
    - Woodbine Ent (HPItv)
    - Ag-Com (Rural Channel)
    - Allarco Ent (Super Channel)
    - Hollywood Suite (AXN Movies, Sony Movie Channel, MGM Channel, WarnerFilms)
    - Accessible Media (AMI TV)
    - APTN
    These are all small bit players with most owning 1 or 2 channels, Blue Ant Media & Hollywood Suite are the only ones that might have an impact based on how well their channels do. Also, none of these indie broadcasters operate any top tier channels, Astral was a major player that owned very popular channels like Family & TMN. Most of these companies operate niche channels, that is not to say that they are insignificant (channels like Salt + Light, Wild TV & OUTtv serve their niche well) but none will ever become strong enough to pose any sort of threat to the big conglomerates IMO.

    On another note, Insight Sports (WFN & 20.5% stake in NHL Network) is not on that list.

    The most valuable assets from remaining independent broadcasters are Channel Zero and Blue Ant.
    I disagree, Blue Ant Media & Hollywood Suite are the ones with the most valuable assets- what valuable asset does Channel Zero own?!


    It's easy to assume that Rogers will try to become bigger and buy some assets to compete Bell-Astral.
    Rogers is screwed, with Astral out of the picture there isn't much left for them to acquire except perhaps Super Channel?! I think the next major move in the consolidation game will probably be Shaw acquiring Corus. I noticed they were the only major media company that did not make any comment (positive or negative) regarding the Bell-Astral purchase. The first time around, they did make a comment and were in favour of Bell buying Astral, most likely because they want to acquire Corus and merge everything together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDN Viewer View Post
    what valuable asset does Channel Zero own?!
    Couldn't be their porn channels? Although, those haven't been relevant since the advent of high-speed Internet. LMAO

    Quote Originally Posted by CDN Viewer View Post
    Rogers is screwed, with Astral out of the picture there isn't much left for them to acquire except perhaps Super Channel?!
    Possibly. Rogers deep pockets could make the channel a real competitor with TMN and MC when non-HBO programming contacts comes up for renewal.

    Quote Originally Posted by CDN Viewer View Post
    I think the next major move in the consolidation game will probably be Shaw acquiring Corus. I noticed they were the only major media company that did not make any comment (positive or negative) regarding the Bell-Astral purchase. The first time around, they did make a comment and were in favour of Bell buying Astral, most likely because they want to acquire Corus and merge everything together.
    Unlikely, Corus was a spin-off of Shaw, and with Shaw now owning a truck load of specialty channels and OTA stations, it might not be a easy merger.
    "And Now for Something Completely Different..." - John Cleese (Monty Python).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDN Viewer View Post
    These are all small bit players with most owning 1 or 2 channels,
    True, but it's a question of quantity over quality.
    Just like Bell currently does, Rogers can buy some of those channels, cut out most if not all original programming while airing cheap fillers, force distributors to bundle them, sit back, do nothing, then laugh all the way to the bank.

    For example, Rogers can acquire WildTV and WFN, rebrand them as niche OLN spin-offs with a Sportsnet twist. They can acquire OUTtv (cat A licence!) and program reruns of ANY shows where there's at least one gay or lesbian character (Xena, Revenge, Glee, you name it).

    Quote Originally Posted by CDN Viewer View Post
    I disagree, Blue Ant Media & Hollywood Suite are the ones with the most valuable assets- what valuable asset does Channel Zero own?!
    CHCH-TV, de-facto flagship of CHEK-TV and Joytv. Rogers could use it to relaunch CityNews Channel, news at day, movies and series at night. Gives them another opportunity to dump reality shows in simsub.

    Quote Originally Posted by CDN Viewer View Post
    Rogers is screwed, with Astral out of the picture there isn't much left for them to acquire except perhaps Super Channel?!
    Definately Super Channel. They need exclusive content for their cellphone customers.
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    Possibly. Rogers deep pockets could make the channel a real competitor with TMN and MC when non-HBO programming contacts comes up for renewal.
    Rogers always seems to be last out of the gate, they missed out on Canwest & Alliance Atlantis sales and now Astral. I think they really only care about their sports channels, of course live Sports is a big cash cow so no faulting them for focusing most of their attention on building the Sportsnet empire.

    I think Super Channel would be a great acquisition for them, they have exclusive rights to several series including some from Showtime and Starz (recently signed a major deal with them). This channel (well the original Super Channel but it was owned by the same people) was sold once before so whose to say they won't sell again. Also, with Rogers at the helm Super Channel might finally secure carriage on Videotron (the only major provider who doesn't carry the service)- Rogers & Quebecor seem to have a good relationship as evidenced through their programming partnership on TVA Sports.

    Unlikely, Corus was a spin-off of Shaw, and with Shaw now owning a truck load of specialty channels and OTA stations, it might not be a easy merger.
    That is true, however if they were to sell off some channels, I think they would be able to slide the deal through just like Bell did with Astral.

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    As with the Super Channel i think Rogers missed the boat a couple years back when they were in trouble now they seem to be doing alot better and i question is if they would even want to sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    They don't have the same amount of staff running the channel like CP24, since they don't have any on-air talent and behind the scene staff like producers, camera people, ect. People who do officially run the channel probably have it as additional responsibility their job description (eg. The same control room guy responsible for BookTelvision also runs Space, CP24, etc, etc). I remember seeing another report had Rogers G4 TV only having two people officially on the staff for that channel, I bet BookTelvision has the same amount running the channel as well.

    Also Book Television is a Cat A. license. All those subscriber fees and almost non-existent programming expenses equals profits. Completely unacceptable (especially for a Cat. A) IMO

    Apologies for getting off topic

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    In the US, there are 210+ media markets while Canada have 43. The FCC has put a quota on how many stations of the same network can be O&O, which are normally in the Top 15, representing half the audience share. All other stations are affiliates, the top 100 producing local news, the others sharing newsrooms or not having one at all.

    To sum it up, broadcast companies in the US :
    - ABC-Disney-ESPN
    - NBC-Universal-Telemundo-Syfy-USAnet
    - CBS-Paramount-Showtime
    - Fox-NatGeo
    - Turner-Time Warner-CW-CNN-HBO-TNT-CartoonNet
    - Tribune Broadcasting
    - Discovery Communications
    - Viacom (MTV, Nickelodeon)
    - A&E Networks (50% ABC / Hearst)
    - Rainbow Media (AMC, IFC, Sundance)
    - Starz
    - Univision (spanish)

    For radio, Clear Channel owns 850 radio stations (!), Cumulus Media owns 570 and CBS Radio owns 130, but there are tons of them.


    In Canada, we have 43 media markets, Almost all affiliates were literally brought out by the networks. Remember when Canwest brought WIC in 2000? That marked the end of affiliates. All stations are now O&O, controlled by Toronto, and we're being fed with Toronto news, province-wide, with some local news inserted, feeling underserved.

    With consolidation, there aren't many major broadcast players :
    - Bell (Baton-Netstar-CHUM (Craig)-Astral (RadioMutuel-Telemedia-StandardRadio))
    - Shaw (Canwest (WIC, AllianceAtlantis), Corus)
    - Rogers (...)
    - Quebecor (...)

    For radio, it's mostly Bell-Astral, Corus and Rogers...

    I don't think there's a company in the list I posted on page 2 of this thread that will make the main list.
    Most US big TV brands are imported by either Bell-Astral, Shaw Media or Corus.

    With so few players in the industry, owned by BDUs, the CRTC will base their guidelines with what the industry wants, in order words, these corporates behavior.

    We're screwed.
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    Well, my 2 cents on the issue here... just when you think the CRTC has taken a turn for the good and they've finally clued in to the troubles and problems with consolidation and are trying to put a hold on things, they turn around and do this, approve this transaction. They've finally proven that nothing at all has changed one iota from the last regime under von Finckenstein, the last CRTC chair. And it's not just this approval, it's allowing Rogers to purchase The Score (which increases their concentration in the sports genre buying up the only other real competitor other than TSN and allowing essentially two analog sports channels under the same roof). But what is even more ludacris about this approval is the exemption of the common ownership policy which allows Bell to keep TSN 690. This is the second exemption to the policy in the Montreal market alone in the past couple years. UNBELIEVABLE! Not one thing has changed about the CRTC. And to those who think Corus wouldn't purchase Family Channel and the corresponding digital channels because the CRTC wouldn't allow it because of too much concentration in the children's genre, well think again. The CRTC does not give a s#!& about that. They'll put on a show for the cameras and talk a big talk but in the end, it's the same ole same ole with these guys, they'll just rubber stamp it and put some conditions on it to "safe guard" against any concerns from interveners. I have no doubt about that IMO. Will Corus want them though? I'm sure they would, but I don't know if they actually will actually go ahead with trying to purchase them.

    I predict in the new year, look for Shaw to try the same thing with Corus. And again, look for the CRTC to put on a big show and in the end just rubber stamp it, with maybe a couple divestitures, although very few if any at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musimax View Post
    Well, my 2 cents on the issue here... just when you think the CRTC has taken a turn for the good and they've finally clued in to the troubles and problems with consolidation and are trying to put a hold on things, they turn around and do this, approve this transaction. They've finally proven that nothing at all has changed one iota from the last regime under von Finckenstein, the last CRTC chair. And it's not just this approval, it's allowing Rogers to purchase The Score (which increases their concentration in the sports genre buying up the only other real competitor other than TSN and allowing essentially two analog sports channels under the same roof). But what is even more ludacris about this approval is the exemption of the common ownership policy which allows Bell to keep TSN 690. This is the second exemption to the policy in the Montreal market alone in the past couple years. UNBELIEVABLE! Not one thing has changed about the CRTC. And to those who think Corus wouldn't purchase Family Channel and the corresponding digital channels because the CRTC wouldn't allow it because of too much concentration in the children's genre, well think again. The CRTC does not give a s#!& about that. They'll put on a show for the cameras and talk a big talk but in the end, it's the same ole same ole with these guys, they'll just rubber stamp it and put some conditions on it to "safe guard" against any concerns from interveners. I have no doubt about that IMO. Will Corus want them though? I'm sure they would, but I don't know if they actually will actually go ahead with trying to purchase them.

    I predict in the new year, look for Shaw to try the same thing with Corus. And again, look for the CRTC to put on a big show and in the end just rubber stamp it, with maybe a couple divestitures, although very few if any at all.
    My guess is Shaw and Rogers will merge with in the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ottawasnowdog View Post
    My guess is Shaw and Rogers will merge with in the year.
    That would be the worst case scenario. At the rate that these mergers have been taking place, the media in Canada is going to be dominated by one giant company sometime within the next five to ten years. I can understand why the Bell-Astral deal finally went through, but I think the line needs to be drawn somewhere soon.

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    It's not just the CRTC, it's the competition Bureau as well. Both have allowed the consolidation of media to way out of hand in Canada. Bell should never have been allowed to buy CHUM, Canwest should never have been allowed to buy Alliance Atlantis, Shaw should never have been allowed to buy Canwest and Bell should never have been allowed to buy Astral.

    These are the big companies that we use to have in Canada at the beginning of the 2000s

    Alliance Atlantis
    Bell Globemedia
    Corus Entertainment
    Rogers Media
    Canwest Media
    Craig Broadcasting
    CHUM Limited
    Astral Media
    Quebecoir Media

    This is what remains

    Bell Media
    Shaw Media*
    Rogers Media
    Quebecoir Media
    Corus Entertainment*
    *These should really count was 1 since they both have common ownership

    In the span of about 10 years we have gone from 9 big media companies down to 4

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    ...And its a done deal. BM takes control of Astral properties.

    http://www.financialpost.com/m/wp/fp...es-astral-deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverPlaqueVII View Post
    ...And its a done deal. BM takes control of Astral properties.
    Almost all of Astral's logo on buildings are being replaced if not done already !
    They haven't wasted any time. Guess they had a team on standby the day after the announcement.
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    I noticed that on Hamilton's oldies1150.com website one of the stations I listen too on internet which astral owned now I guess Bell owns...the astral logo now sports the Bell logo!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverPlaqueVII View Post
    ...And its a done deal. BM takes control of Astral properties.

    http://www.financialpost.com/m/wp/fp...es-astral-deal
    So when are all the garbage bins in Toronto going to have their Astral logo replaced with Bell?

 

 

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