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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Brad View Post
    I was dreading paid programming and infomericals airing throughout the day, replacing News Now.
    Hopefully CHCH will do better...but for a [sort of] apples to apples..have a look at the other "Independent" station, CHEK (Infomercials with a smattering of Jeopardy & Hot Bench)

    6:00 AM Gem Selection with Craig Rooke
    7:00 AM Simply Silver
    8:00 AM Simply Silver
    9:00 AM Paid Programming
    9:30 AM Joyce Meyer: Enjoying Everyday Life "The Importance of the Holy Spirit" NEW
    10:00 AM 100 Huntley Street NEW
    10:30 AM Kenneth Copeland "The Power to Be Healed and Free" NEW
    11:00 AM Life Today With James Robison
    11:30 AM The Place for Miracles
    12:00 PM Paid Programming
    12:30 PM Paid Programming
    1:00 PM Paid Programming
    1:30 PM Wealth Through Trading
    2:00 PM Hot Bench "Bloodthirsty Dog for Sale!" NEW
    2:30 PM Hot Bench "Trashed on the Local News?!; Wedding Ring Riot Act!" HD
    3:00 PM CBC News Now NEW
    4:00 PM Warrior Games "Choctaw Stickball" TV-G
    4:30 PM Get Connected TV TV-G
    5:00 PM Marriage Under Construction "Let's Get Moving" TV-G
    5:30 PM Arctic Air "Stormy Weather" TV-PG
    6:30 PM Little Mosque on the Prairie "The Proposal"
    7:00 PM Judge Judy "Salvaged Car, Failed Friendship!; Sister Drives Into Tree?" HD
    7:30 PM Judge Judy "Pregnant Cow Cover-Up?!; The Disappearing Tax Refund!" NEW
    8:00 PM CHEK News at 5 NEW
    9:00 PM CHEK News at 6 NEW
    9:30 PM CHEK News at 6:30
    10:00 PM Wheel of Fortune "Home for the Holidays" NEW
    10:30 PM Jeopardy! NEW
    11:00 PM Bones "The Dude in the Dam" TV-14

    You get what you pay for....or in this case, you'll only get what they can afford!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigoranget View Post
    The layoffs at CHCH aren't going to have the same media attention as the massive layoffs that occurs at Bell Media TV and Radio stations but many people in the community are well aware of how the employees where let go. One of the people let go; Donna Skelly spoke to the CBC about the layoffs.
    Funny how it's the ones that leave the station and later rejoin because they didn't win an election seat are the first to provide their two cents. Maybe the Ontario Tories will give her a job.

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    What's missing?

    Courtesy of the Hamilton Spectator, we have the breakdown of what Channel 11 LP owes and owns.


    • Assets: $59,936.00


    • Liabilities: $4.5 million


    $59,936.00 owing to secured creditors, $1.4 million unsecured debt to employees and the rest of the unsecured debt to studios, etc. But here's my question. Other than the unusual assets and secured liabilities that are matched dollar for dollar, what's missing? See if you can notice it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Courtesy of the Hamilton Spectator, we have the breakdown of what Channel 11 LP owes and owns.


    • Assets: $59,936.00


    • Liabilities: $4.5 million


    $59,936.00 owing to secured creditors, $1.4 million unsecured debt to employees and the rest of the unsecured debt to studios, etc. But here's my question. Other than the unusual assets and secured liabilities that are matched dollar for dollar, what's missing? See if you can notice it too.
    I noticed none of the reporters are closing their segments by referencing their name and "CHCH News" . I wonder if this is due to the new arrangement/company the reporters are affiliated with.

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    Not sure but I think most of the 11:00pm news was pretaped. I know the weather segments have been pretaped for a number of years but the thing I noticed was Taz went to break and said they would be back with Sports after the break. After the break Bubba O'Neil delivered the sports updates and he signed-off the newscast instead of going back to Taz to close the newscast. I almost think that Bubba's segment was the only live segment. Very Cheesy to say the least.

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    http://www.thespec.com/news-story/61...fter-job-cuts/
    [CHCH 11pm pre-recorded newscasts]

    The 11 o'clock news on CHCH will now be mostly pre-recorded and anchored by Taz Boga.

    The 11 o'clock news anchored by Boga is now pre-recorded but has some live elements, [News anchor] Nick Dixon said, but at this point he does not know what that entails.

    "In terms of content, we still have five or six reporters gathering the news. You won't see a change in commitment to covering the region … You're still getting the package of news keeping you up-to-date locally … and on the bigger level."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigoranget View Post
    Not sure but I think most of the 11:00pm news was pretaped. I know the weather segments have been pretaped for a number of years but the thing I noticed was Taz went to break and said they would be back with Sports after the break. After the break Bubba O'Neil delivered the sports updates and he signed-off the newscast instead of going back to Taz to close the newscast. I almost think that Bubba's segment was the only live segment. Very Cheesy to say the least.

    It's highly likely to be pre-taped. Given all the cuts they are making to the news division, they probably decided to have Nick and Taz contribute to reporting and news gathering during the day, That's what Global did at the small market stations that have late night and weekend newscasts anchored from Toronto. Local Anchors, weather specialists, and sports anchors who previously appeared on the local late night and weekend newscasts now work day shifts and contribute to reporting, online content, afternoon weather updates, etc.. Now the issue CHCH has is that they don't have a anchor team available in Toronto, so they have to pre-tape their late night newscast so their 11:00PM anchors can contribute to the daytime news gathering. I guess they plan to have Bubba cover breaking news.

    This also may be why Morning Live now only airs from 7:00AM to 9:00AM, so the Morning Live on-air team can help out with reporting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TVViewer View Post

    It's highly likely to be pre-taped. Given all the cuts they are making to the news division, they probably decided to have Nick and Taz contribute to reporting and news gathering during the day, That's what Global did at the small market stations that have late night and weekend newscasts anchored from Toronto. Local Anchors, weather specialists, and sports anchors who previously appeared on the local late night and weekend newscasts now work day shifts and contribute to reporting, online content, afternoon weather updates, etc.. Now the issue CHCH has is that they don't have a anchor team available in Toronto, so they have to pre-tape their late night newscast so their 11:00PM anchors can contribute to the daytime news gathering. I guess they plan to have Bubba cover breaking news.

    This also may be why Morning Live now only airs from 7:00AM to 9:00AM, so the Morning Live on-air team can help out with reporting.
    It's pretty lame to only have a morning show from 7:00-9:00am. I have already left for work by the time the morning show starts along with many other commuters. I'm wondering how long before Channel Zero puts CHCH up for sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigoranget View Post
    It's pretty lame to only have a morning show from 7:00-9:00am. I have already left for work by the time the morning show starts along with many other commuters. I'm wondering how long before Channel Zero puts CHCH up for sale.
    The question is, who would buy it? I don't think you'll see anyone picking up conventional broadcasters until the CRTC adjusts the model. If we were to talk about someone buying it, it's possible Bell would maybe pick it up as a CTV two and possibly dump Barrie and/or London. Or perhaps, Shaw might pick it up. Who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j_levent View Post
    The question is, who would buy it? I don't think you'll see anyone picking up conventional broadcasters until the CRTC adjusts the model. If we were to talk about someone buying it, it's possible Bell would maybe pick it up as a CTV two and possibly dump Barrie and/or London. Or perhaps, Shaw might pick it up. Who knows.
    I'm also curious to see where CHCH/Channel Zero will get their programming from. Based on the bankruptcy documents, the previous company has outstanding debt to a number of US production companies. I doubt they'll want to sell again to a related company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j_levent View Post
    The question is, who would buy it? I don't think you'll see anyone picking up conventional broadcasters until the CRTC adjusts the model...
    I don't know what could realistically be done to "adjust the model". Businesses can't be forced to pay to advertise on TV if they don't want to. If someone wants their TV channel to receive fees from cable/satellite/IPTV subscribers, then it has to be a specialty channel (like CP24), not broadcast for everyone in the region to freely receive over-the-air -- not that a move like that would necessarily be successful today, as SunTV/SunNews demonstrated.

    Nothing personal against CHCH or any other TV channel, but it's 2015 and trying make money by running a TV station is about as good a business proposition as a video rental store. I don't seem to recall any cry to "adjust the model" for them or any other technologically outdated business to continue existing when people stopped using them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan's Monkey View Post
    I don't know what could realistically be done to "adjust the model". Businesses can't be forced to pay to advertise on TV if they don't want to. If someone wants their TV channel to receive fees from cable/satellite/IPTV subscribers, then it has to be a specialty channel (like CP24), not one broadcast to everyone in the region to freely receive over-the-air -- not that a move like that would necessarily be successful today, as SunTV/SunNews demonstrated.

    Nothing personal against CHCH or any other TV channel, but it's 2015 and trying make money by running a TV station is about as good a business proposition as a video rental store. I don't seem to recall any cry to "adjust the model" for them or any other technologically outdated business to continue existing when people stopped using them.

    I agree with you. It's more the big 3 that are crying foul and saying the conventional system is broken which would beg the question as to who's left that would be a potential suitor. Possibly the Jim Pattison group or NewCap? I know NewCap has a station out west and they've recently spread their wings with 2 radio stations in the GTA.

    I would say that if Bell and Shaw are serious about their previous statements about shutting down smaller tv stations, then maybe CHCH would be a potential suitor for them. They have 7 transmitters all over Ontario which would allow to them to dump several communities in Ontario and still having an extra channel to dump programming. Just a thought.
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    Interesting read :
    CHCH All-Day Experiment Lessons Will Help Save Local TV
    By Joey Coleman
    http://www.thepublicrecord.ca/2015/1...save-local-tv/


    Concerning TVViewer's Fee-For-Carriage propaganda all around this forum...
    Another potential short-term non-advertising revenue source would be fee-for-carriage. Over-the-air broadcasters lobbied the CRTC to impose carriage fees on cable and satellite companies for distribution of their programming. The Supreme Court ruled the implementation requires Parliament to change the Broadcasting Act.

    Even if local stations are successful in lobbying the new Liberal government, it’s only a stop-gap solution. People are increasingly shifting their cable television dollars to the Internet. Among my friends, none have a cable package, but all have digital television antennas and are loyal CHCH over-the-air viewers.
    The author is right. With OTT options such as Netflix, shomi, CraveTV, Club Illico, iTunes/Google Store, combined with ever-increasing cable/satellite fees (Bell increases again on Feb 1st 2016 http://www.bell.ca/Residential_services/price_changes ), adding fee-for-carriage overnight will in short-term help local stations (but most likely help more CTV and Global Toronto than all independent stations), but subscribers will see another cable bill increase that will turn into a decision time to cut the cord and never come back for any canadian, regardless if they're living nearby OTA transmitters or not.
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    Looks like its more sinister than we first thought. According to leaked emails reported via CBC Hamiltion:

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    "We just needed to disband the previous company and form a new one where changes could be made, free from old Union employees and their demands and free from carryover debt of CanWest," said Kathleen Marks in an email that appears to be directed at a client or prospective client.

    Marks, whose Linkedin page lists her as an account manager for CHCH News, wrote that she was addressing "misinformation in the media regarding our restructuring."

    "The only change is that this "new" CHCH will allow for Management and our Producers to hire new talent and bring on more daytime programming that will appeal to a wider demographic," she wrote.

    "Personally, I am very excited about the new face of CHCH, :)" she said, ending her email with a smiling emoticon.

    Spokesperson Sarah Louise Gardiner confirmed the email's authenticity, but said it is "absolutely not reflective of leadership" at CHCH or Channel Zero.
    I thought there was something rotten when they only listed assets of half a million dollars, when the CHCH studio property itself is worth about five million dollars according to public records. Looks like they're bundling the old debt and staff they didn't want to keep around and hold on to the more valuable property of CHCH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan's Monkey View Post
    I don't know what could realistically be done to "adjust the model". Businesses can't be forced to pay to advertise on TV if they don't want to. If someone wants their TV channel to receive fees from cable/satellite/IPTV subscribers, then it has to be a specialty channel (like CP24), not one broadcast to everyone in the region to freely receive over-the-air -- not that a move like that would necessarily be successful today, as SunTV/SunNews demonstrated.

    Nothing personal against CHCH or any other TV channel, but it's 2015 and trying make money by running a TV station is about as good a business proposition as a video rental store. I don't seem to recall any cry to "adjust the model" for them or any other technologically outdated business to continue existing when people stopped using them.
    I don't know how you came up with this bizarre theory that everyone is abandoning television but the theory couldn't be more delusional. The vast, vast, vast majority of Canadians under 50 still watch television and subscribe to cable or satellite. There are a small tiny % of Canadians who are abandoning television all together in favor of online platforms but comparing a cable/satellite subscription to things like a video store rental is ridiculous. The advertising only business model is broken and has been for some time but channels that benefit from both advertising and subscription fees are doing just fine. Canadian specialty channels still have huge profits, U.S. conventional channels still have huge profits. The only channels facing a dire financial situation are the Canadian conventional stations in small and medium sized markets that only have advertising as a source of revenue. A television station is not a technologically outdated business, the CRTC regulations for local television stations in Canada are the problem, not the television channels themselves. It's time to adjust the business model for local television stations by eliminating the CRTC regulations that put them at a significant financial disadvantage to all other channels in North America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TVViewer View Post
    I don't know how you came up with this bizarre theory that everyone is abandoning television but the theory couldn't be more delusional. The vast, vast, vast majority of Canadians under 50 still watch television and subscribe to cable or satellite. There are a small tiny % of Canadians who are abandoning television all together in favor of online platforms but comparing a cable/satellite subscription to things like a video store rental is ridiculous. The advertising only business model is broken and has been for some time but channels that benefit from both advertising and subscription fees are doing just fine. Canadian specialty channels still have huge profits, U.S. conventional channels still have huge profits. The only channels facing a dire financial situation are the Canadian conventional stations in small and medium sized markets that only have advertising as a source of revenue. A television station is not a technologically outdated business, the CRTC regulations for local television stations in Canada are the problem, not the television channels themselves. It's time to adjust the business model for local television stations by eliminating the CRTC regulations that put them at a significant financial disadvantage to all other channels in North America.
    U.S. conventional channels aren't raking in the profits as they use to. Some stations in larger markets have been making money, but with the continuing loss of advertising dollars, they've been upping the VFS rates higher and higher to cover the loss, plus if you ever watch any of the newscasts, you can see the cuts to actual journalism being replaced by populism headlines. How many times can you watch Donald Trump before you cry blood? Tune into the 11pm newscast to find out. ;)

    Without argument, VFS will help, but it won't stop the problem of dwindling advertising dollar unless VFS will pay for a 100% of the cost of news programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j_levent View Post
    I'm also curious to see where CHCH/Channel Zero will get their programming from. Based on the bankruptcy documents, the previous company has outstanding debt to a number of US production companies. I doubt they'll want to sell again to a related company.
    Quote Originally Posted by j_levent View Post
    I'm also curious to see where CHCH/Channel Zero will get their programming from. Based on the bankruptcy documents, the previous company has outstanding debt to a number of US production companies. I doubt they'll want to sell again to a related company.

    Exactly. I would stay away from this company. I agree with others saying that what Channel Zero did with CHCH (filing for bankruptcy and then immediately starting a new company) should be illegal.

    It's also kind of ironic that Channel Zero operates Bloomberg in Canada given the way they have handled the finances at CHCH. The broken non-viable advertising only model may be the core reason for CHCH losing money but I think everyone can agree that CHCH was producing too much news given the amount of money it was losing. They simply shouldn't have been launching things like Canada's only 4:00AM newscast and producing 80 hours of news each week in the financial situation they were in if they were not willing to absorb the financial loss from producing this much news, Channel Zero knew this station was losing money on local news when they purchased the station, their own profitability projections had the station losing money for several years. They should have never purchased the station in the first place if they weren't comfortable losing money on local news, I don't think Bloomberg realizes how idiotic and morally bankrupt the company they have decided to partner with really is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j_levent View Post
    The question is, who would buy it? I don't think you'll see anyone picking up conventional broadcasters until the CRTC adjusts the model. If we were to talk about someone buying it, it's possible Bell would maybe pick it up as a CTV two and possibly dump Barrie and/or London. Or perhaps, Shaw might pick it up. Who knows.

    I can't see Bell buying CHCH. It wouldn't be worth the negative publicity of shutting down the rest of the CTV2 Ontario stations especially since they would still lose money operating the station (CHCH has been unprofitable for decades, even when WIC owned the station it was unprofitable). Shaw has already confirmed that they are not buying the station (someone on twitter started a rumor that they had). I really can't think of any other group that would be interested as long as it remains and OTA station. Which is unfortunate because I certainly don't want CHCH to succeed under Channel Zero's sweatshop model. Companies like Channel Zero shouldn't exist in Canadian broadcasting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TVViewer View Post
    They should have never purchased the station in the first place
    Quote Originally Posted by TVViewer View Post
    Companies like Channel Zero shouldn't exist in Canadian broadcasting.
    Typical « If CanWest/Shaw Media failed operating this channel, nobody else can. »

    So, according to TVViewer, a hundred of employees at CHCH should have lost their jobs back in august 2009, as CanWest should have shut it down for good instead of selling it for 6$ to an independent company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TVViewer View Post

    I can't see Bell buying CHCH. It wouldn't be worth the negative publicity of shutting down the rest of the CTV2 Ontario stations especially since they would still lose money operating the station (CHCH has been unprofitable for decades, even when WIC owned the station it was unprofitable). Shaw has already confirmed that they are not buying the station (someone on twitter started a rumor that they had). I really can't think of any other group that would be interested as long as it remains and OTA station. Which is unfortunate because I certainly don't want CHCH to succeed under Channel Zero's sweatshop model. Companies like Channel Zero shouldn't exist in Canadian broadcasting.
    Funny, cause I found this little blurb right here yesterday...


    http://www.900chml.com/2015/12/16/55621/


    Why is Bell Media logo on leaked CHCH TV email???

    A leaked internal email from CHCH TV has offered a different angle from the troubled little broadcaster trying to compete with the big players in a new technological world.

    The note, which was sent to everyone here at CHML, is from a sales person to a client and includes this explanation of recent activities there.

    “We just needed to disband the previous company and form a new one where changes could be made, free from old Union employees and their demands and free from carryover debt of CanWest.” (There previous owner).

    CHCH says the statement does not reflect the company.

    As a person who has been downsized 5 times in my 30 year career, no surprise here.

    From the start, I questioned how a bankrupt company could rehire about half of the staff and continue as a new company, as if the old never existed?

    But hey, I’m just the talent.

    If I was one of those who is floating without a severance, I wouldn’t be spouting the virtues of such an email.

    Instead I would be questioning why the email displaying the logo of the cash strapped struggling ‘Channel Zero’, also had the logo of giant media conglomerate Bell Media, next to it?

    Are they not two separate competing companies?

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