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    Clock changing to end?- TV schedule effect

    Europe and North America are finally realizing the practice of "springing forward, falling back" is a completely pointless nuisance that should be abandoned, with the general idea being to simply stay on "summer time" all year. A bill in Ontario unanimously passed first reading, following a similar move in the EU, while the US Congress is apparently also soon to consider it.

    On the surface, this may have no effect on TV scheduling, and presumably it won't if all of the rest of North America follows the existing examples of Saskatchewan and Arizona in not changing our clocks. But what happens if some jurisdictions decide to drop it and others don't? It may be particularly difficult in the US, as it would require changing federal law regarding time zones.

    (It's complicated to explain, but staying on 'Summer Time' year-round would in effect be changing to another time zone, which US federal law does not allow in most places. AZ and Hawaii stay on their federally designated time zone year-round without changing. Saskatchewan already does what most others want to, but US states can't as it stands presently -- most of the province geographically aligns with the Mountain Time Zone, yet they use Central Time all year.)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Saskatchewan

    Canada is likely to follow whatever the US does, but if it doesn't, it would be fun to see the Canadian networks increasingly fall over themselves trying to maintain simsubs by shifting schedules back and forth by an hour!
    As a small child, I vaguely remember there being one year in the 1970s where the US differed from Canada in this regard for a few weeks or months, and the resulting confusion in TV schedules, though I think where I lived at the time the town's small cable operator wasn't required to simsub.

    Just shift school hours to start a little later in places where it may cause a problem of kids going to school in the dark. For example, instead of 9am to 3pm, maybe make it 9:30 to 3:30.
    http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/10/30/the-year-daylight-saving-time-went-too-far/
    Last edited by Donovan's Monkey; 04-18-2019 at 10:00 AM.

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    Standard Time was initially established in such a way, in the middle of the zone, noon is mid-day, meaning sunrise at 7am means sunset at 5pm.

    On Summer Solstice Day, June 21, in Toronto, sunrise at 5h36 and sunset at 21h02. If we were in standard time, sunrise would be at 4h36 and sunset at 20h02 instead. Take away that wasted natural morning light hour and move it to the evening, instead of wasting electricity while the town is alive. On the other hand, evenings are hot, and therefor, we use air conditionning for a longer time.
    https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/cana...th=6&year=2019

    On Winter Solstice Day, December 21 in Toronto, sunrise at 7h47 and sunset at 16h43. If we were in daylight savings time, sunrise would be 8h47 and sunset at 17h43 instead. Longer house heating in the morning, drive to work in the dark, and it's still dark if you shift starts at 8am. More office heat required due to colder morning temperature...

    The way most of us live since the 1960s, it's morning not before 6am, and sleep past 11pm, so daylight savings year round makes sense.
    "It's not a rerun if you haven't watched it yet." (© 2010 by TVViewer)
    "Ne jamais s'obstiner avec un épais. Il va vous abaisser à son niveau et vous battre avec l'expérience."

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    I don't think there are many people now who are particularly concerned about noon having to be the time of day when the sun is at its highest point in the sky. I don't know anyone who relies on a sundial to tell time. And while some people understandably have trouble waking up in the morning when it's still dark, I think more prefer the daylight shifted to the evening (or late afternoon), as you mentioned.
    I try to avoid using the term "Daylight Saving Time".
    For one thing, it's nonsensical. Daylight cannot be "saved". Maybe "shifted" might have been a more accurate word.
    More importantly, it's ambiguous, since people here use it to refer to the practice of shifting our clocks twice a year, and also use it for the time set we use in summer. It actually confuses people here in North America. When I did a google news search, the second and third headlines that appeared were seemingly contradictory, with one saying something like "Ontario moves to abandon Daylight Saving Time", the other something like "Ontario moves to adopt year-round Daylight Saving Time". Other English-speaking parts of the world use the the less confusing terms of "Summer Time" and "Winter Time".

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    Honestly, I'd rather have daylight savings all year if we can't change our clocks anymore. People can make the argument that morning drives would be dark during the winter but right now evening drives are dark, so I'm not sure that really matters. Plus many people's drive home would be light. Any savings lost on heating in the morning would be gained by less heating in the evening. It mainly comes down to the summer. I definitely do not want a 04:30am sunrise and I like having day light until almost 9:30pm in the summer.

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    That does seem to be the most popular opinion from the few surveys that have been done in various places. Usually it's a large majority of people who want the clock changing to cease, with a smaller majority preferring the light later in the day than early in the morning when asked what time setting they would want to stay on all year.

 

 

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