Too much porn on TMN!!!!!!!!!!!

[mtlguy]

I don't see a problem with porn on TMN or any permium station. Like someone mentioned they are movies and they have been on this channel since it's beginning under the name First Choice. Its on only one of their 7 channels a couple of hours per day. Why should they stop now? I am sure some of it's subscriber are keeping it only because of them and if it gives them more subscriber, it means more revenu which is good for them and ultimatly for me who wnats them to buy as much great movies and series as possible.

Why is this even an issue after what 30 years of this going on...If you don't want to watch it don't. It is a premium channel and only people who want are subscribers. Even if they had a full channelof porn it would't be an issue as it is not forced to subscribers with any other services. It is not a seperate service, but an part of what TMN (and all it's previous names) has been all about.

[NakedGord]

^
True but the reverse problem exists. I can't get TMN or the adult channels without being forced to pay and get on my TV all the G rated nonsense and religious programming.

100 Huntly Street daily on Global
World Vison "We'll give you food if you take this bible" daily on Global
CTS
Salt and Light Television
EWTN
Grace TV

Atleast Znaimer will be taking Vision out soon with a rebranding.

[steelnikel]

I agree that the system needs to be changed and that you should have a choice of what you watch and subscribe to. I myself don't watch the religious channels either and it is a waste of time for me to even have them on my service but i'm forced to have it by Rogers. Same with TMN the porn comes with it and thats a problem for others who only want movies . Customers should be given more choice for the money they are paying but some stuff is forced on all of us whether we like it or not. I don't have a problem with porn or religion but it should'nt be forced on subscribers either way. There needs to be changes made by the CRTC !

[lunarworks]

Oh and regarding finding porn offensive...that's kind of funny since I find religion on TV offense. When will that be pulled from TV?

When will movies and TV get religion warning labels like sex and violence?

People can say what they want about porn but at least porn supporters don't fly planes into buildings or murder abortion doctors.

+1

Religion has been responsible for more death and violence than a pair of boobies.

[InMontreal]

I myself don't watch the religious channels either and it is a waste of time for me to even have them on my service but i'm forced to have it by Rogers. (...) There needs to be changes made by the CRTC

That's a "Rogers" issue for you. Other canadian providers provide religious channels in special packages, so if you want them, ask for them.
Redirect your complains to Rogers. The CRTC has nothing to do with it.

Same with TMN the porn comes with it and thats a problem for others who only want movies. Customers should be given more choice for the money they are paying but some stuff is forced on all of us whether we like it or not.

Don't you think you contradict yourself here?

NOBODY FORCES YOU TO SUBSCRIBE TO TMN !

TMN is offering adult movies to give more choices to their paying subscribers !!!
Think about it. For 14$ per month, they provide hollywood + canadian + foreign/independant movies + sillicon valley movies after midnight.
On the other hand, you can pay 20$ per month for a 24/7 adult movies that you'll only watch after midnight anyways, but not every day...

You find porn offensive? Well too bad, you asked for TMN, you asked for offensive content.
You already saw the movies in theater or DVD or PPV that will premiere soon on TMN? Just too bad! TMN is NOT gonna program their schedule around YOU.

Amen.

[mtlguy]

Packaging is all the providers decision. TMN can be taken here with only the basic digital channel, nothing else added to it for I thing 13$ a month. No need to buy anything else (with Videotron).

So like it was mentioned, it is all about how the providers decide to package it.

[Mayhem]

That's a "Rogers" issue for you. Other canadian providers provide religious channels in special packages, so if you want them, ask for them.
Redirect your complains to Rogers. The CRTC has nothing to do with it.

In Rogers defence, it is a CRTC issue with a channel like CTS. It's a OTA station so it has the same mandatory carriage rights like CTV, Global and Citytv....sadly

[NakedGord]

@InMontreal


Are you sure they're not lurking in the digital basic tier? On Cogeco that's where most of them are hiding.

To everyone generally: Is there a list or way to find out how much these channels receive for carriage?

If it could be proven to people they're paying for BDU optional channels that they don't want or perhaps even oppose perhaps there's a way to get the word out to get people to complain to have them dropped.

[NakedGord]

In Rogers defence, it is a CRTC issue with a channel like CTS. It's a OTA station so it has the same mandatory carriage rights like CTV, Global and Citytv....sadly

I wonder if they'll have the balls to request FFC in mandatory markets when it comes through.

[InMontreal]

In Rogers defence, it is a CRTC issue with a channel like CTS. It's a OTA station so it has the same mandatory carriage rights like CTV, Global and Citytv....sadly

Yeah, ok, fair enough, CITS-TV is there because it's an OTA station. CKXT-TV (SunTV) is also an OTA station. Nobody forces you to watch them, and you're not paying for them.
As for the others religious channels (VisionTV, EWTN, GraceTV, Salt+Light), they have a specialty status and should be on accessible on subscription.

Are you sure they're not lurking in the digital basic tier? On Cogeco that's where most of them are hiding.

I just checked Cogeco Ontario and it's horrible, it's not the case for Cogeco Quebec. It's a Cogeco issue, not a CRTC one.

Blame the CRTC for being forced to pay for services: APTN, Community Channel, CPAC, CBC News, RDI, Weather Network, and your provincial Parliament channel.
Blame the CRTC for being forced to watch CTV, Global and Citytv in simulcast over the US networks.

To everyone generally: Is there a list or way to find out how much these channels receive for carriage?

Nope, the negociated price between the broadcaster and the BDU is secret in order to avoid other providers complaining about the price they do pay. O nthe other hand, the CRTC released an annual report for each specialties with numbers, but it's an overall revenues and depenses. I don't remember the thread but the link was provided on this forum back in April.

[Strongman]

Yeah, ok, fair enough, CITS-TV is there because it's an OTA station. CKXT-TV (SunTV) is also an OTA station. Nobody forces you to watch them, and you're not paying for them.
As for the others religious channels (VisionTV, EWTN, GraceTV, Salt+Light), they have a specialty status and should be on accessible on subscription.


I just checked Cogeco Ontario and it's horrible, it's not the case for Cogeco Quebec. It's a Cogeco issue, not a CRTC one.

Blame the CRTC for being forced to pay for services: APTN, Community Channel, CPAC, CBC News, RDI, Weather Network, and your provincial Parliament channel.
Blame the CRTC for being forced to watch CTV, Global and Citytv in simulcast over the US networks.


Nope, the negociated price between the broadcaster and the BDU is secret in order to avoid other providers complaining about the price they do pay. O nthe other hand, the CRTC released an annual report for each specialties with numbers, but it's an overall revenues and depenses. I don't remember the thread but the link was provided on this forum back in April.

The rates are based on number of subscribers. The rate cards show what you will pay by subscriber base, but you have to sign a non-disclosure agreement to receive the rate card. The CRTC's rules require cstomers to be treated equally, at least for a SMATV customer as I am.

[steelnikel]

[quote=InMontreal;35588]That's a "Rogers" issue for you. Other canadian providers provide religious channels in special packages, so if you want them, ask for them.
Redirect your complains to Rogers. The CRTC has nothing to do with it.

ve attit
Don't you think you contradict yourself here?

NOBODY FORCES YOU TO SUBSCRIBE TO TMN !

I no longer subscribe to TMN or Superchannel and religious channels are in the basic service on Rogers and I have complained to them. TMN and Superchannel are'nt worth the money we are asked to pay for them. If they both combined their services then maybe the value would be there. I only have MPIX and for 4.00 mth thats great value with 2 channels plus MPIX HD and ondemand. The CRTC has a lot to do with offering real canadians content they want and not make them pay for garbage channels that they never watch. You seem a little upset every time I comment perhaps you should take things in your own hands and watch some porn. I don't need it, I get the real thing . Some people on the other hand have negative attitudes because they don't get enough !!!!!

[TVViewer]

Don't you think you contradict yourself here?

NOBODY FORCES YOU TO SUBSCRIBE TO TMN !

You find porn offensive? Well too bad, you asked for TMN, you asked for offensive content.
You already saw the movies in theater or DVD or PPV that will premiere soon on TMN? Just too bad! TMN is NOT gonna program their schedule around YOU.

WOW! the only thing wrong with this post is that YOU complain about programming decisions ALL THE TIME.

I hope you remember what you said to steelnikel before you make your next complaint about a network airing a program or type or programming you don't like.

[TVViewer]

Atleast Znaimer will be taking Vision out soon with a rebranding.

What makes you think that religious programming will be removed from Vision TV? Znaimer has not stated anything about removing religious programming from Vision TV or JoyTV stations that they now own and control.

[Tripster]

I no longer subscribe to TMN or Superchannel and religious channels are in the basic service on Rogers and I have complained to them. TMN and Superchannel are'nt worth the money we are asked to pay for them.

Actually the premiums are well worth the money they ask. Try taking a family of four out to the theatre to watch one movie. Even when we purchase coupons from Costco the cost for us to take ourselves and the kids out is around $45. Without the coupons you're looking closer to $70 with admission, munchies and drinks. The movie channels are a steal in comparison to that :)

To maximize the value you have to stop renting DVDs though. The movies on the movie channels are usually around 6-12 months behind the DVD release. We only purchase the movies we really want to keep, otherwise we just wait for the movie service airings.

[InMontreal]

WOW! the only thing wrong with this post is that YOU complain about programming decisions ALL THE TIME.

I hope you remember what you said to steelnikel before you make your next complaint about a network airing a program or type or programming you don't like.

Funny how you ignored my reply directed to you and you chose my reply to someone else in order to attack me again.

I'm curious to know what type or programming I don't like you are reffering to.

As previously requested: Put me back on ignore. Thanks.

[IMissBCTV]

Were people complaining with Citytv were showing these types of films on Friday Nights many years ago?

[lunarworks]

Were people complaining with Citytv were showing these types of films on Friday Nights many years ago?

I'm sure they were. They just didn't have the internet to complain on.

[NakedGord]

@InMontreal. Thanks fo the info about the post. I'll start to dig through the site and see what I can find. Even if I can get the total payments by all BDU's to these channels that'll be a start.

[NakedGord]

What makes you think that religious programming will be removed from Vision TV? Znaimer has not stated anything about removing religious programming from Vision TV or JoyTV stations that they now own and control.

I'm sure Znaimer will keep programs that that'll make the most for the timeslot possible of course.

However the big thing is these channels were devoted to religion before. Even if they aired secular programming the reasoning behind it was to serve their religion.

Now Znaimer is rebuilding his media empire - that and profits for his backers at Goldman Sachs will be the driving force.

Perhaps I'll get lucky and they'll start airing boomer aged Baby Blue Movies lol.