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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan View Post
    I see GolTV's Lee Godfrey is hosting TSN's MLS coverage tonight. Has the integration begun?
    No.

    Lee Godfrey left GOLTV Canada in April to join Rogers Sportsnet, where he will anchor the new FOX Soccer Report opposite Kara Lang starting September 1 on Sportsnet World (Canada) and FOX Soccer (USA).

    Godfrey is working for TSN on a freelance basis while he waits for the new FOX Soccer Report to launch.

    Craig Forrest will be the analyst on the new FOX Soccer Report starting September 1.

    The current Winnipeg-based cast of FOX Soccer Report will be laid off on August 31, including Michelle Lissel, Bobby McMahon, Eoin O'Callaghan, and Asa Rehman.

    Sportsnet World Connected on Sportsnet World will be cancelled after its last episode on August 30. No word yet on whether Rogers will reassign anchor Michelle Sturino (i.e. CityNews Channel) or lay her off.

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    I don't see how it will be easily possible for Rogers and Bell to evenly split the MLSE TV assets as promised, when the existing TV contracts expire. This includes not only the regional TV rights to live games of Leafs, Raptors, Toronto FC, and Marlies, but the associated niche channels, TV facilities at the Air Canada Centre, the other TV shows about those MLSE teams, their contracts with the NBA for other NBA games and programming, and similarly soccer games and programs on GolTV. For one thing, it might require a new regional TSN TV channel, something like the one for the Winnipeg Jets. Would things like game replays, Toronto FC Preview and Extra Time (post game) shows, etc., be evenly split between TSN and Sportsnet Ontario?

    Larry Tanenbaum owns 25% of MLSE, but none of TSN or Sportsnet. It all sounds very awkward and perhaps unworkable.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle4426208/

    If Bell and Rogers are together forming a new holding company for their 75% stake in MLSE, could owning and running a new separate channel or channels make more sense than TSN and Sportsnet attempting to evenly split everything? MLSE had already been approved by the CRTC for their proposed RealSports channel, regardless of whether they would continue with the three MLSE-owned niche channels.

    If the CRTC decides to allow over-the-air channels to choose to charge carriage fees, then maybe a new Toronto over-the-air station on the frequency vacated by SunTV could alternately or complementarily be considered? That may bend or break rules regarding companies owning more than one OTA station in the same city, and likely would only be realistic financially for them if Toronto area BDUs were also required to include the OTA station on basic cable service and thus require all of their customers to pay for it whether they wanted to or not. If ultimately allowed, others in Canada outside the region could get it as an optional distant OTA channel, while antenna viewers including some in Western New York state could get it for nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan's Monkey View Post
    I don't see how it will be easily possible for Rogers and Bell to evenly split the MLSE TV assets as promised, when the existing TV contracts expire. This includes not only the regional TV rights to live games of Leafs, Raptors, Toronto FC, and Marlies, but the associated niche channels, TV facilities at the Air Canada Centre, the other TV shows about those MLSE teams, their contracts with the NBA for other NBA games and programming, and similarly soccer games and programs on GolTV. For one thing, it might require a new regional TSN TV channel, something like the one for the Winnipeg Jets. Would things like game replays, Toronto FC Preview and Extra Time (post game) shows, etc., be evenly split between TSN and Sportsnet Ontario?
    I think any regional sports will end up on Sportsnet because of their regional setup. As for contracts, they'll probably pool all the broadcasting rights related to MLSE back into the partnership holding company and then sub-lease the rights back between TSN and Sportnet on paper. That way they don't have duplicated contracts between MLS, NBA, NHL for various games. Of course that will also depend if any by-laws these sports organizations have allow such deals to happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan's Monkey View Post
    Larry Tanenbaum owns 25% of MLSE, but none of TSN or Sportsnet. It all sounds very awkward and perhaps unworkable.
    If Larry Tanenbaum did get any ownership of TSN or Sportsnet, it would probably be through shares from the parent company, and not the shell company(s) that own the licences for TSN or Sportsnet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan's Monkey View Post
    If Bell and Rogers are together forming a new holding company for their 75% stake in MLSE, could owning and running a new separate channel or channels make more sense than TSN and Sportsnet attempting to evenly split everything? MLSE had already been approved by the CRTC for their proposed RealSports channel, regardless of whether they would continue with the three MLSE-owned niche channels.
    They still need content for TSN and Sportsnet, pouring it all in one channel wouldn't defeat the purpose in the first place of buying MLSE.

    But the niche channels could still be used when a scheduling conflict occurs with TSN and/or Sportsnet.


    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan's Monkey View Post
    If the CRTC decides to allow over-the-air channels to choose to charge carriage fees, then maybe a new Toronto over-the-air station on the frequency vacated by SunTV could alternately or complementarily be considered?
    Rogers has already claimed the CKXT channel for OMNI2. So any new channel would have to be approved by IC first, and thatís if there is any available or hasn't been taken over by the "unlicensed station" operating in the downtown area.



    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan's Monkey View Post
    That may bend or break rules regarding companies owning more than one OTA station in the same city, and likely would only be realistic financially for them if Toronto area BDUs were also required to include the OTA station on basic cable service and thus require all of their customers to pay for it whether they wanted to or not. If ultimately allowed, others in Canada outside the region could get it as an optional distant OTA channel, while antenna viewers including some in Western New York state could get it for nothing.
    Even if you did have 100% of the viewing population in Toronto on Cable, IPTV or Satellite; any VFS fees would dwarf in comparison to what TSN or Sportsnet brings in per/subscribers already, and they're already bundled with some sort of basic BDU package or bundled along with the most watch channels.
    "And Now for Something Completely Different..." - John Cleese (Monty Python).

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    I think MLSE will remain a separate entity and both Rogers & Bell will have an equal stake in the company. Its easier to keep things separate then try to integrate them into their other operations especially given the joint ownership.

    As for the channels, it all depends on the content and whether these channels are currently profitable- if they are then they will probably leave them as is, if not then you might see some shut down and the content split between TSN & Sportsnet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    I think any regional sports will end up on Sportsnet because of their regional setup. As for contracts, they'll probably pool all the broadcasting rights related to MLSE back into the partnership holding company and then sub-lease the rights back between TSN and Sportnet on paper...

    ...If Larry Tanenbaum did get any ownership of TSN or Sportsnet, it would probably be through shares from the parent company, and not the shell company(s) that own the licences for TSN or Sportsnet...
    Tanenbaum does not own any part of TSN or Sportsnet. He owns 25% of MLSE. Bell and Rogers split the other 75% (or soon will).

    MLSE controls only regional TV rights through owning their teams. Sportsnet Ontario is a regional channel, as is Leafs TV.

    The sports leagues control national rights.

    TSN, TSN2, and Sportsnet One are national channels. Being blacked out in much of the country, as they would have to be much of the time particularly during regional Leafs games, makes them an impractical option for these regional games. And viewers in the rest of the country would not be overly enthused by the increased programming focus on Toronto.

    After the current TV deals expire, unless all regional games of the MLSE-owned teams are shown only on a channel or channels owned by MLSE, then they have to come up with some kind of complicated way to appropriately split the TV revenue among Larry Tanenbaum, Bell, and Rogers. Before the Rogers and Bell purchase, there was supposedly an agreement among the MLSE share holders that all TV contracts must be open to outside bids, if only to establish their value. But now there aren't any realistic outside bidders to establish the value and Tanenbaum's amount.

    I suppose Rogers could get Bell and Tanenbaum to agree to a price to get all regional games on Sportsnet Ontario, but trying to negotiate that would almost certainly lead to very contentious internal fighting at MLSE.
    Quote Originally Posted by CDN Viewer View Post
    I think MLSE will remain a separate entity and both Rogers & Bell will have an equal stake in the company. Its easier to keep things separate then try to integrate them into their other operations especially given the joint ownership.
    That would seem to be the easiest way.
    It may also make sense for MLSE to maintain at least two separate TV outlets, one regional, and the other national -- national for NBA, Raptors, most of the present Gol TV Canada and maybe other programming of national interest they may acquire, while the regional outlet could have all of the Leafs and other more Toronto oriented programming. I was supposing the regional outlet could be OTA instead of a cable-only specialty channel, but only if it made financial sense for MLSE and didn't violate regulations, which might not be possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huhe888 View Post
    No.

    Lee Godfrey left GOLTV Canada in April to join Rogers Sportsnet, where he will anchor the new FOX Soccer Report opposite Kara Lang starting September 1 on Sportsnet World (Canada) and FOX Soccer (USA).

    Godfrey is working for TSN on a freelance basis while he waits for the new FOX Soccer Report to launch.
    Thanks for the news. That doesn't explain Godfrey's departure from GolTV though. Is GolTV cutting staff? Godfrey is still featured prominently on goltv.ca
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    Tanenbaum told Rogers and BCE to keep the rights and in exchange he got in exchange he got a bigger share of MLSE from what he had before.

    He still also gets to be on the board of governors for the NHL as the rep. of the Maple Leafs.

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    Something still has to change for Bell and Rogers to evenly split the regional TV rights they acquired in the MLSE purchase. I'm guessing Bell may need to have a new regional TSN Ontario channel to be their counterpart to Sportsnet Ontario.

    At the same time, I presume Rogers probably wants TheScore to eventually have its present license restrictions loosened to allow it to become their widely available national channel and be their counterpart to TSN.

    I could see Rogers agreeing to make a possible new TSN Ontario channel widely available, while Bell agrees to continue doing the same for the renamed and less restricted incarnation of TheScore and not object to the CRTC when Rogers requests to have its present unwanted license restrictions lifted. That would put them on an equal footing with each other, with both having a main national channel, a secondary digital channel, and regional channels, even if other BDUs don't immediately start carrying the new channel(s).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan's Monkey View Post
    Something still has to change for Bell and Rogers to evenly split the regional TV rights they acquired in the MLSE purchase. I'm guessing Bell may need to have a new regional TSN Ontario channel to be their counterpart to Sportsnet Ontario.

    At the same time, I presume Rogers probably wants TheScore to eventually have its present license restrictions loosened to allow it to become their widely available national channel and be their counterpart to TSN.

    I could see Rogers agreeing to make a possible new TSN Ontario channel widely available, while Bell agrees to continue doing the same for the renamed and less restricted incarnation of TheScore and not object to the CRTC when Rogers requests to have its present unwanted license restrictions lifted. That would put them on an equal footing with each other, with both having a main national channel, a secondary digital channel, and regional channels, even if other BDUs don't immediately start carrying the new channel(s).

    Isn't that what TSN 2 is for???? They can also play some games on CTV Toronto. They already show football from time to time, why not hockey?

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    Tsn 2 is really a second nation channel Tsn Ontario would just be for Nhl teams etc in Ontario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUN_Guy View Post
    Isn't that what TSN 2 is for???? They can also play some games on CTV Toronto. They already show football from time to time, why not hockey?
    TSN2 is a national channel that would have to be blacked out in Ottawa and the rest of Canada outside of Ontario during Leafs regional games, unless all the other Canadian NHL teams would agree to allow them to be shown.

    While CTV does show NFL games, they are at 1 pm ET Sunday afternoons, and the Super Bowl and NFL play off games that are simsubbed for CBS or Fox. The regional Leafs games are typically all (or almost all) weeknights or Sunday nights. Putting them on CTV Toronto would displace the simsubbed U.S. programming in the country's largest market. I suppose CTV2 in southern Ontario could have been an option, if they were getting rid of the rest of the CTV2 network, but any slim possibility of that being considered probably disappeared when the court decision shot down the chance of charging BDUs to carry OTA stations. BTW, the CTV2 Fonthill transmitter is remarkarbly close to the Buffalo area, which could have allowed MLSE to advertise to attract some more ticket buyers from that region to attend Raptors and Toronto FC games.

    Bell bought their share of MLSE to make money by showing Leafs games, and presumably the best way to do it is with a new regional TSN channel that brings in money not just from advertising, but also BDU subscribers, and shows all of Bell's half of the MLSE regional content once the existing deals expire, I think after two more seasons.
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    FWIW, Leafs TV is still showing some live Leafs games, even in the shortened NHL season. So presumably this arrangement and Leafs TV will continue for the duration of the existing TV contract, before TSN and Sportsnet begin the new arrangement of evenly splitting the regional Leafs games. The other MLSE channels, NBA TV Canada and Gol TV Canada, now have no live Raptors or Toronto FC games. http://www.theaircanadacentre.com/as...STSCHEDULE.gif
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan's Monkey View Post
    FWIW, Leafs TV is still showing some live Leafs games, even in the shortened NHL season. So presumably this arrangement and Leafs TV will continue for the duration of the existing TV contract, before TSN and Sportsnet begin the new arrangement of evenly splitting the regional Leafs games. The other MLSE channels, Gol TV Canada and NBA TV Canada, now have no live Raptors or Toronto FC games. http://www.theaircanadacentre.com/as...STSCHEDULE.gif
    Are you sure Gol will not have any Toronto Fc games?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ottawasnowdog View Post
    Are you sure Gol will not have any Toronto Fc games?
    Reruns only, but apparently not live games. All MLS Toronto FC games this year are scheduled to be shown on TSN, TSN2, Sportsnet One, or Sportsnet Ontario, and I believe Canadian Championship games on Sportsnet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan's Monkey View Post
    Reruns only, but apparently not live games. All MLS Toronto FC games this year are scheduled to be shown on TSN, TSN2, Sportsnet One, or Sportsnet Ontario, and I believe Canadian Championship games on Sportsnet.
    If they were smart it should have Nasl games with Edmonton this year and Ottawa next year it could do well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ottawasnowdog View Post
    If they were smart it should have Nasl games with Edmonton this year and Ottawa next year it could do well.
    Gol TV Canada and Sportsnet360 (formerly The Score) have been showing some Edmonton NASL home games. Presumably Ottawa and other possible future new Canadian NASL teams could also be shown in the same way.
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